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Child of God
Sub Lieutenant

Australia
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Posted - 07 Jul 2008 :  20:36:47  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
Firstly I have to admit that I was not sure whether to place this question under "complaints" or under "Christian Issues", so please treat it as a question.

Secondly, I am not sure if i am on the correct Potter's House Forum, so please correct me as I belief there are two different Potters Houses, one being founded by Wayman Mitchell and the other is falling under T.J. Jakes. This question is directed to the Potters House founded by Wayman Mitchell. Apparently the two does not follow the same doctrine.

A drop of background to consider when reading this question:

I am in a church which consists out of 2 males, 6 women and 3 teenagers. A very tiny church.

This is my question:

God's Word says that He gives spiritual gifts to everyone, and all spiritual gifts are from the same Spirit and the same Spirit gives the gifts as He pleases. Hence, my understanding is that we cannot just go ahead and dispute a person's gift as it is chosen by God Himself and if we want to turn around and say that someone does not have a certain gift, are we not indirectly placing God's free distribution as it pleases Him, in a box then?

Now going on to these gifts given.... The Bible also tells us (refering to the parable of the Talents), that when we are given these talents from God, we should use it and not hide it into the ground. I hope you are with me thus far. Now, suppose a person is given a gift in music, but there is no worship team in the church as the church is very small. Is it correct then for that believer to rather hide their talent until such time that a worshipteam is created one day when there is more people, even though the person has the ability, qualifications, equipment and previous experience of running the worship ministry?

Well, if you say that the person should "hide" their talent until a worshipteam is established, is it not against God's Word then when in this parable it says that we should use it because we don't know when the master will be returning and He will then hold us accountable for the use or lack thereof of the talents He has given us?

Kind regards,



kevtherev
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Australia
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Posted - 07 Jul 2008 :  23:30:28  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
This forum does relate to the Potters House Christian Fellowship under Pastor Mitchell,

I personally think that if its not a salvational issue then follow the Pastors lead, above all the talent issues in the bible - comes obedience to Christ and the bible states that that God installs those in authority over us and that we should obey that authority unless the authority is in contrast to the Bible or against God or his commandments.

It really does seem like a dilemma for you, but pass this test silently and to yourself and God will reward you, it is not a hard burden to bear, I know of men who were ready for the mission fields but impatience and an "I could do it better" attitude stopped them in their tracks.

So my advice is to be happy where God has placed you and SERVE him through serving your brothers and sisters and your Pastor in what ever field he asks, maybe have a private chat with your Pastor, but do not rebuke an elder, prepare yourself first by a resolution to take up or let go of the things that your Pastor recommends and in this obedience you serve God and become an example to the others in the church. Oh and never take it to the rest of the church it only causes division as people will think they would have to take a side, and that just hurts all, from experience I know this as I have done it and been on the receiving end as well - I wish I was wiser and more level headed at the times - but repentance is good for me, and should be for you too.

May Jesus Christ guide you through this, AMEN

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Child of God
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Australia
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Posted - 08 Jul 2008 :  12:37:39  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
Dear Kev.

I must appologize for my ignorance, but I am not sure what you mean with "if it is not a salvation issue, then follow the Pastors lead".

I do agree that we should follow the pastors lead, and submit ourselves to him etc etc. But I don't feel my question has been answered. Yes, I have already spoken to the Pastor as well on more than one occassion about the issue, but the same response....no answer really to my question.

You say we have to be happy where God has placed us to SERVE Him. I agree, but we serve Him by serving His people too. When we are prevented or held back to serve His people, does that not mean that we are asking someone to hide certain talents and only use certain other ones? For example: When I spoke to my pastor about it, he was very happy to inform me that he is very impressed with my love towards the rest of the church, my compassion and my desire to help others, and off course he encouraged me to continue doing this. But this is not my GIFT. This is what every Christian should be doing. This should be the normal thing to do for every Christian. So yes, there are the normal things that Christians have to do in love, compassion and kindness, but it is not their spiritual gift. It is merely the fruit of the Spirit. Pastor is encouraging me to continue displaying the fruit of the Spirit, but will not allow me to use my talent/gift. So, my question again.....is he not then asking me to hide my talent in the ground?

PS. Do not worry, I will not involve the rest of the church, I don't belief in it and i don't want to involve anyone else. It is my question which I am seeking an answer for, and it has nothing to do with anyone else. Except you of course...because i am seeking external advise.

Love always
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Kevin
Commander

Australia
115 Posts

Posted - 08 Jul 2008 :  13:16:46  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
Hi Belinda...You seem very self consious about putting your gift from God to practice as soon as possible. Maybe other avenues will open up in time that will give you the chance to put these skills God has given you into practise.

I don't like to suggest this... but have you thought about joining another larger congregation where your gifts could be needed, exercised, and appreciated? Could attending 2 congregations be feasable?

Hope this helps!

God bless.
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Child of God
Sub Lieutenant

Australia
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Posted - 08 Jul 2008 :  13:32:44  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
Dear Kevin,

I guess that is why i am eager to put my gifts to use. God's Word tells us to use what we are given and not to hide it in the ground. And to obey God's Word (above all else) I do have a deep sense of wanting to do exactly what He asks of us. It might be easy for people to wait, but if we read the parable correctly, it basically tells us not to hide and wait, because we don't know when the Master will return and ask us what we have done with what He has given us.

Yes, I have considered going to another church, but as mentioned earlier, our church is so very tiny, so it was just so easy to fall in love with each individual there. At the same time I just can't seem to get myself to leave Pastor and his family, because they have been very good to me. I am in a dilemma. Pastor needs every person he can get as when you take away his family, he only has a congregation of about 7 people. And that is only in the mornings. This Sunday past, I was the only person at the evening service (apart from Pastors family). Imagine if i also had to go away! But off course guilt is not from God and ultimately I must obey God above all. So perhaps i should consider this. I would hate to break their hearts though.
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kevtherev
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Australia
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Posted - 08 Jul 2008 :  15:50:44  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
Well I think that maybe… it would be good if you could at this time, turn your attention to the great commission, the winning of souls as this would also facilitate a larger congregation and possibly a church band. I would think that in a small church your size you should just remain faithful and help build God's church, whether there is a song leader or a band it is not of great importance at the moment - but souls going to devil's hell sure is. To sing or play music, is not the point of the church, but winning the lost through evangelism, church planting, studying and reading your bible, praying and fellowship with other Christians is the cutting edge of Christianity.

If you feel the need to sing or play music you could also just do this by yourself in your prayer closet times to God at anytime, its sometimes even better when no one else is around… and I would consider it a test… if its a God given gift then sing unto the lord, a lot of the time people get caught up with showing of their gifts or skills and when we realise its all for God then we can really worship him.

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Child of God
Sub Lieutenant

Australia
15 Posts

Posted - 08 Jul 2008 :  16:44:15  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
Kevin, I aggree that soulwinning is THE most important thing for us all to do. And yes, I am going out with the church to witness, i witness to my own friends and family, and on a personal level I used to go out on a Thursday night by myself to witness too, until Pastor recommended that I don't. At the moment I am guiding a lady in the UK that is seeking the truth.

This leads me to your point where you stated "winning the lost through evangelism, church planting, studying and reading your bible, praying and fellowship with other Christians is the cutting edge of Christianity" The Bible informs us as plain and simple as you can get, that not all have the gift of evangelism, of preaching, teaching, healings etc. Unless I have a gift of evangelism, the best i can do is to witness (which I do do). As for the rest of the sentence, studying, reading your Bible and fellowshipping with other Christians, takes us right back to my original point where I said that this is part of every Christian, this is a normal thing every Christian should do, which I do, but it is still not using your God-given gift.

Yes, I totally agree that music and singing is not the main point of the church. I already do as you suggested. I have my musical instruments at home and i sing and praise and worship God at home any time I feel like it. I also do that as part of my quiet times first thing in the morning. But am I using my God-given gift to edify the Church? No. And doing it by yourself at home, is like evangelising to yourself at home in front of the mirror. No one benefits from that. And indirectly you are then "Hiding" your talent! What dissappoints me the most is that Pastor is telling me how hard he has been praying for a live band, yet everything has to start small. Our Christian walk starts small, our faith starts of small, our congregation starts of small, so why can't the worship team start of small? Pastor has been praying for 3 years now for this to happen, while i have been sitting in front of him for the past 3 years offering my service to the congregation.

Music is only one of the topics i am discussing with you now, but there are more, but I don't want to delve into any of them until i have received an actual answer for this question as I still don't feel that I have received an answer.

Would you also mind to clarify your sentence : "a lot of the time people get caught up with showing of their gifts or skills and when we realise its all for God then we can really worship him."

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kevtherev
Forum Admin

Australia
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Posted - 08 Jul 2008 :  17:35:36  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
In answer to your question in basic form - its not a biggy, lets not sweat the small stuff... the stress is not worth it, relax and enjoy you Christianity and be involved in what the Pastor asks you to be involved in, God sees your talents and does not hold it against you because of lack of opportunity. God will restore you into public ministry when God will's, God rises up and casts down and gives opportunity and withholds at his will, Real ministry is serving others - try just serving others in other areas... who knows you might discover another gift of the spirit.

you wrote:
Would you also mind to clarify your sentence : "a lot of the time people get caught up with showing of their gifts or skills and when we realise its all for God then we can really worship him."

You dont have to prove anything to God, but sometimes we think we need to prove something to others.. like that our spiritual gift is real... because in Jesus's days even "a profit was not taken as a profit in his own town", Jesus even had this trouble. Just love God with all your heart and mind and soul and worship him, you really dont have to be in a music ministry to make a difference, its not about us, but him... as he grows stronger in our lives we must grow weaker... basically surrendering totally to the Lord Jesus Christ.

It is all about JESUS isn't it??

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Child of God
Sub Lieutenant

Australia
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Posted - 08 Jul 2008 :  17:47:04  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
Yes, it is all about Jesus AS WELL AS obeying Him. Are we not now looking at the instructions in that parable and saying that those instructions are just "small stuff", not "worth the stress". What if my gift is teaching or preaching....the same circumstances as before....? Do I apply this "small stuff" not "worth the stress" to those gifts as well or only to gifts that can be "hidden" away?
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kevtherev
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Australia
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Posted - 08 Jul 2008 :  18:24:54  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
Ok - I can see your quite distressed and I can see by your words there are many issues - I know this will probably inflame you even more - but truth is truth and will not change. There are many variables that I can not see, so I write below randomly to question, help and console you. if you think about these things you can make a right decision about yourself, your direction and the church, and you will know much more than us as the battle is your mind not ours - but rest assured I pray for you now.

1/ The Bible says that women are not to preach, but teaching the children is OK
2/ The Pastor may want one of the men to rise up and lead.
3/ Moving Churches will only mean that you take the problem with you.
4/ By Laying it down at the Alter, you are obeying GOD.
5/ By backing your Pastor, you also obedieant to God.
6/ Maybe its just not your time yet, as with Jesus being baptised by John.
7/ God doesn't make mistakes - settle this now
8/ You are where you are because God allowed it.
9/ Pray about this, and let God do the work.
10/ To be the greater one must be servant to the other.
11/ The Church is not all about you - surprise!
12/ The Church is a place to be with like minded people and to be ministered too.
13/ The Church is the believers of Jesus Christ not the building.
14/ The Small Stuff is the non Salvational issues. (like: who is the song leader)
15/ The Big Stuff is the Salvational issues. (like: you must be born again)
16/ I find you very passionate about a minor issue.
17/ I Hope to guide your passion to a better, virtuos and noble cause.
18/ With the fire you write that you have - you could make a difference.
19/ Will you make a difference? will you be of a quite spirit.
20/ Will you be an example to the younger women?
21/ What about being a prayer warrior in your church?
22/ Pray for revival in your area, and for key converts to come.
23/ If you never sang or played an instrument again, would you still serve God?
24/ If you were never in ministry would you still serve God?
25/ Would you stand in for anothers punishment?
26/ Christ is our Lord and Saviour, and is our Salvation.
27/ Even if your Pastor made all the wrong decisions, would you stand by him?
28/ How many other issues do you have?
29/ Do you have a list? mentally or even written down?
30/ Can you just give the list to God and Follow your Pastor?


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Child of God
Sub Lieutenant

Australia
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Posted - 08 Jul 2008 :  19:14:51  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
I get the impression i have tired you out and that you are not so happy to continue with my questions.

Refering to your:
1/ The Bible says that women are not to preach, but teaching the children is OK
2/ The Pastor may want one of the men to rise up and lead.

Did Jesus not say in John 14:12 "The truth is, ANYONE who believes in me will do the SAME works that I have done"? Does that not include teaching and preaching?

refering to your:
10/ To be the greater one must be servant to the other.
12/ The Church is a place to be with like minded people and to be ministered too.

That is exactly what I am trying to do!!!

Refering to your:
11/ The Church is not all about you - surprise!

I pick up a negative spirit here, almost like sarcasm. Why do I deserve this?


Reference to your:

19/ Will you make a difference? will you be of a quite spirit.

I am not sure what you are asking me to do here. Or are you asking me to stop asking questions and be quiet.

Refence to Your:
21/ What about being a prayer warrior in your church?

Do I have the gift of a prayer warrior? Surely prayer warriors are the one's whose prayers so often gets answered, like my Granny use to have. Everyone would go to her for prayer, we knew that God answered her prayers. Surely it is also a gift given by God, and we cannot choose the gifts we are given.

Reference to your:
Yes, I will always serve God, but with a convicting conscience that I am not using what God gave me and that one day He, and HE alone is going to hold me, and me alone, accountable for that.

Reference to Your:
30/ Can you just give the list to God and Follow your Pastor?

If ever I have read between the lines, then this is it. Very politely said to cast your very simple question upon the Lord and shut-up and follow your pastor. No I can't. Unless I have an answer for my question, and until such time that someone actually answers my question, I will persue the reason as to why I cannot do exactly what God says in His Word, to make use of the Talents and Gifts He has given us. To edify the church (the people not the building). You say I must leave this with God. This is a plain instruction FROM God, I don't need to leave it with Him, it came from Him. It is like a Commander telling his troops to take up their weapons and march into war, and then they just ignore him and "leave his command" with himself. How faithfull are we then really? How obedient? We don't get to choose our gifts, even though it might be convenient to only have certain gifts, we still DO NOT get to choose them. We CAN NOT SWOP them for something else. Something that might suit someone else.

Is it perhaps that you merely can't answer my question. I have consulted a number of people so far, and they take me on wonderful journeys throughout the Bible, but I yet have to find a single person who would actually go as far as answering my initial question. Funny how people who do not belong to PH can answer that question in an instant..........
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kevtherev
Forum Admin

Australia
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Posted - 08 Jul 2008 :  20:47:36  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
No sarcasism meant, its merely that your real dilemma is not what you have initially posted. So we can only look at the symptons, and I am niether qualified nor experienced to make any judgement. I find that your litery skills are good, but I am not communicating with you. You seem to have found the answer somewhere else, but here you find no answers. It seems you have an agenda or some other motive for writing here, as no one who knows the answer need ask the question.

I believe you have been hurt by men, and thus a man can not communicate with you, and that's probably why your not listening to your Pastor, maybe you could try talking with the Pastor's wife if the Pastor allows it, and then maybe you can work some things out.

I wish you well and pray for your healing.

God Bless

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Child of God
Sub Lieutenant

Australia
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Posted - 08 Jul 2008 :  21:50:37  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
Okay, I am totally blown away now.

As far as I am aware, I have been sticking to the same topic all along....the fact that we are to use our talents and not to hide them. I have no idea where you have come to a different understanding of my question, which has been the same throughout the whole discussion.?

Secondly, I am not sure what you mean by "symptoms". What "symptoms"?

I refer to your: "You seem to have found the answer somewhere else, but here you find no answers. It seems you have an agenda or some other motive for writing here, as no one who knows the answer need ask the question".

The reason I am asking the question here, is because I am in the PH. Those places that gave me answers are not PH!! I hope you understand and appreciate that not all churches have the same doctrine, hence not all answers will be appropriate, depending on the church, denomination or doctrine. Would you like me to belief answers given to my by the Jehovah Witnesses for example? No, you won't. So, as a member of the PH I would like an answer from the PH. That is why even though I have an "answer", I need to find out from my own church too. Is that so difficult?

Refering to your: "I believe you have been hurt by men, and thus a man can not communicate with you, and that's probably why your not listening to your Pastor, "

So you can't answer my spiritual questions, based on the Bible, but you can phsycologically evaluate and assess me and tell me that I have been hurt by men simply because I am asking a question which you can't answer!!!. You know just as well as I do, that you are purely speculating about my personality and past experiences and are simply trying to steer me of off my original question simply because you do not have an answer......

Reference to your: "talking with the Pastor's wife if the Pastor allows it". Don't get me wrong. I am being sincerely honest here, but I never knew that we needed permission from our Pastor to discuss spiritual matters with his wife!?!?! Does she not form part of the fellowship? Should we not be able to approach her at any time to discuss spiritual matters just as we would with any other member of the congregation? Why is she "off limits" without permission?

I truly feel that you do have the answer, you know the answer deep within your heart, but you are fighting against it. I dont know if you are a pastor yourself, but I know you can answer my question, as long as you focus on my question and not try and steer away from it.

Regards,
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kevtherev
Forum Admin

Australia
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Posted - 08 Jul 2008 :  23:35:44  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
Earlier you said that you would never talk to the rest of the church of the problem - but now you say you are free to talk to anyone. This is a Pastoral care issue and is specific to your Church and your Pastor and should not involve anyone else except with your pastors consent.

I think I hit the nail on the head, the real issue is submission.

Its not the validity or opportunity for "your gift of music"

No I am not a Pastor, but a mere brother who's been through some stuff and seen some stuff, and I pray to God you get your stuff sorted earlier rather than later.

If you asked for a fish would God give you a rock?

The answer is Jesus, and within this forum you seek answers, and here you will find them.
Try to just meditate on these things and be truthful to yourself, you have nothing to prove to me.
I know how hard the journey is, but take courage and face these issues within, and live on as a servant for the Lord Jesus Christ.

Dont die on the wrong battle field.

God Bless

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Child of God
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Australia
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Posted - 09 Jul 2008 :  00:08:37  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
Brother, I don't think you should give advise on this forum. You are running around in circles, never answering a single question posed to you and forever changing the subject, and to top it off you twist everything that is said.

I said that one should be able to approach the pastor's wife as any other person in the church, whether it is to talk about the birds and the bees or about christian questions or issues. So what you are saying is that i cannot just walk up to any Christian and start talking to them about an issue, whether it is a trial of faith, prayer, what certain things mean in the Bible, how to interpret other things, get some guidance or advice etc? If that is what you are saying, then I should not be talking to you right now either, because I don't have my Pastors permission to discuss this matter with you. And seeing you are not a Pastor, and this is a "Pastoral Issue" (as you describe it) you should not even be on this site giving help then. I also said, that I am NOT discussing this with anyone at church, as I do have some level of discretion even though you might not think so. But the point is, that should I have the need to talk to anyone at church about anything in MY life, I should be able to freely go to anyone without anyone's permission.

And no, You are way off the target. I have only ever submitted myself to my pastor and church. I have only ever done exactly what he has said or asked. But that does not mean I can't ask questions, and asking questions does not mean that I am not submissive!!! I not only honor and respect my pastor, I love him and his family as part of my own family. That in itself, does not answer my questions, and asking questions does not change my love towards them.

Here are a few questions I have asked you that remained unanswered:
1/Did Jesus not say in John 14:12 "The truth is, ANYONE who believes in me will do the SAME works that I have done"? Does that not include teaching and preaching?
2/Do I have the gift of a prayer warrior? Can I choose what gifts i want, or can anyone else choose for me what gifts i should be having?
3/I am not sure what you mean by "symptoms". What "symptoms"?

And last but not least: I would truly truly like to know what you mean with "don't die on the wrong battlefield?"

It appears to me now, that you are insinuating that because i am asking all these questions, I am suddenly a sinner (wrong battlefield). Unless you can clarify what you meant here, I would continue to belief that you have just passed judgement upon me for asking questions, and simple questions too. Where does it leave you?

Sounds more like i might be needing to pray for you and not you for me.

Regards,
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kevtherev
Forum Admin

Australia
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Posted - 09 Jul 2008 :  00:11:25  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
yep pray for me

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liberater
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 09 Jul 2008 :  04:37:24  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Child of God

Firstly I have to admit that I was not sure whether to place this question under "complaints" or under "Christian Issues", so please treat it as a question.

Secondly, I am not sure if i am on the correct Potter's House Forum, so please correct me as I belief there are two different Potters Houses, one being founded by Wayman Mitchell and the other is falling under T.J. Jakes. This question is directed to the Potters House founded by Wayman Mitchell. Apparently the two does not follow the same doctrine.

A drop of background to consider when reading this question:

I am in a church which consists out of 2 males, 6 women and 3 teenagers. A very tiny church.

This is my question:

God's Word says that He gives spiritual gifts to everyone, and all spiritual gifts are from the same Spirit and the same Spirit gives the gifts as He pleases. Hence, my understanding is that we cannot just go ahead and dispute a person's gift as it is chosen by God Himself and if we want to turn around and say that someone does not have a certain gift, are we not indirectly placing God's free distribution as it pleases Him, in a box then?

Now going on to these gifts given.... The Bible also tells us (refering to the parable of the Talents), that when we are given these talents from God, we should use it and not hide it into the ground. I hope you are with me thus far. Now, suppose a person is given a gift in music, but there is no worship team in the church as the church is very small. Is it correct then for that believer to rather hide their talent until such time that a worshipteam is created one day when there is more people, even though the person has the ability, qualifications, equipment and previous experience of running the worship ministry?

Well, if you say that the person should "hide" their talent until a worshipteam is established, is it not against God's Word then when in this parable it says that we should use it because we don't know when the master will be returning and He will then hold us accountable for the use or lack thereof of the talents He has given us?

Kind regards,







Hello Child of God, If you are a singer as well as a mucisian Maybe you start by doing solo's in your Church, If God has blessed you with a singing voice and the ability to play a music instrament.
I am sure that God would want you to bless His people with your talents.
Anointed singing and anointed playing of mucical instuments will bring the Glory and power of God into the service.
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Child of God
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Australia
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Posted - 16 Jul 2008 :  20:24:29  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
Thank you Liberator, but that is exactly what my problem is. I am not allowed to excercise my musical talent whether talent of gift as I am a woman.
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liberater
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 17 Jul 2008 :  03:27:46  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Child of God

Thank you Liberator, but that is exactly what my problem is. I am not allowed to excercise my musical talent whether talent of gift as I am a woman.



God does not want you to stiffle any gift that He has given you.
What you should do is Pray that God will change their minds, and if they wont let Him, Pray that God would put you in a Church where you can use your gifts.
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Child of God
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Australia
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Posted - 17 Jul 2008 :  11:47:48  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
Thank you Liberator.
I totally agree with you. I will not allow anyone to put God in a box and tell Him who and how He will use people. Surely it is all up to Him and not them.

Regards,
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liberater
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 17 Jul 2008 :  15:41:00  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Child of God

Thank you Liberator.
I totally agree with you. I will not allow anyone to put God in a box and tell Him who and how He will use people. Surely it is all up to Him and not them.

Regards,



It should be up to God, The trouble is, Jesus isn't Lord of your Church, the Pastor or whoever your overseer is, seems to be the lord. Jesus is your Lord [Not man] and your shepherd, let Him guide you.
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Child of God
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Australia
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Posted - 21 Jul 2008 :  18:34:36  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
The sad thing about it is that if we are not careful, we can do as you say.....make our pastors the lord of our faith and lifes and care more about obeying and honoring them than the Lord Himself.
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Posted - 22 Jul 2008 :  05:48:26  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by Child of God

The sad thing about it is that if we are not careful, we can do as you say.....make our pastors the lord of our faith and lifes and care more about obeying and honoring them than the Lord Himself.



I Have known of a few people who have made the Minister their lord, and not Jesus. They have rather submitted to their Pastor's wishes and not allowed Jesus to move in their lives.
I believe you should be in submision to your pastor as long as he is in submission to the Lordship of Jesus.
You have to obey Jesus and He must be your lord, but saddly in doing so you may offend some people, But never compromise, submit yourself to Jesus and His word.
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